From philb at philb.us Sun Aug 6 23:48:42 2006 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Re: [LeapList] School Install today In-Reply-To: <1154919828.26065.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200606272032.10625.fred@fmeco.com> <200606280017.21652.philb@philb.us> <1154919828.26065.131.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200608062348.42422.philb@philb.us> On Sunday 06 August 2006 23:03, Hale Pringle wrote: > Hi All. > > We had 7 or 8 people show up at the InstallFest site today. With school > starting tomorrow the school staff were anxious to have "something" they > could use. Evem though the server isn't available yet we were able to > do the following today. > > 1. Phil did yoe-man work getting IPCop reconfigured and Dan's Guardian > blocking porn. Yes, I just had to spend a few minutes with it to see where the problem was. Once I found it it was simple. And now the kids in the school will not have their tender sensibilities shredded by nasty stuff from the internet. > 2. We drew temporary Ethernet runs and using some of the small hubs > that Disney donated we got three teacher machines and 20 student > machines connected to the Internet. Since they are currently using a > shared DSL link the pipe is limited, but they can at least start to do > their research. Even though the wire is temporary, a full box of > Ethernet disappeared into the drop-down ceiling. And, it's not wasted. We can use it for the permanent installation in the next few weeks. > 3. A good bit for their curriculum is on movie type DVD's. We plan to > serve these from the server when it arrives, but for now we got one > Linux box with a DVD drive up and viewing in each of the three > classrooms. This worked pretty good. I loaded up the livna repository and yum installed xine. It worked first time. > 4. Phil got work from Disney at 4:00 PM Friday that he could come and > pick out a server. He hopes to snag a doozy this week. Stuff that > retailed for $50 to $100K a few years ago. Talk about sweet. I'll have specifics on this later in the week. It'll be a donated Compaq rack mount server. Probably a DL-380. > Thanks to all for the cable/twine pulling, cable crimping, testing, > software/hardware installing, etc. It isn't all there but we left them > a lot more than I was thinking they would have yesterday. > > (We'll pass on the singing of songs meant to remind you how the wires > are ordered when adding an end to an Ethernet cable. You know who you > are. heh heh heh.....) > > As I mentioned before we have a second school for learning disabled kids > who want to participate. Their paper work is "in the mill" as Disney. > > Hope to see you there next time. I, too, would like to thank the fantastic help that we have had so far in this project. And, we have put up a wiki to document the project so that others may follow in our footsteps. The wiki is at: http://www.leap-cf.org/wiki Here's how you can create your ID on the Wiki. I'll use my name as an example. 1. Go to the main page of the wiki. 2. In the lower right corner, log in with a wikiword. I used PhilBarnett. 3. Immediately hit the Preferences link at the top of the screen. 4. Give yourself a password and save it. When you first log in with your wikiword id, your password will be blank. BE SURE TO GIVE YOURSELF A PASSWORD IMMEDIATELY. You will notice a ? to the right of your wikiname. Press the ? and create your user name home page for others to see who you are. You can't edit a page until you log in. Anyone can view them. -- There are 10 kinds of people - those that understand binary ... and 9 others I can't remember From philb at philb.us Mon Aug 7 00:15:15 2006 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Please log your hours on the wiki Message-ID: <200608070015.15834.philb@philb.us> We need to account for the volunteer hours that have been spent on the school project so far. I have created a page on the wiki where you can log your hours. Just create your wiki login per the previous message and press the edit button. You can follow my example to add your information. http://www.leap-cf.org/wiki/index.php?pagename=LogYourHours -- There are 10 kinds of people - those that understand binary ... and 9 others I can't remember From ae4ko at amsat.org Tue Aug 8 15:04:16 2006 From: ae4ko at amsat.org (Aaron Morrison) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Samsung 2GB flash drive $30 AR Message-ID: <1C8A24BD-2390-49FC-A7A3-CBA3ED356467@amsat.org> I hate rebates, but this looks like a pretty good deal. and there was talk about using these on Saturday. 2GB might be overkill, but some of them might like the space.? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp? EdpNo=2212225&Sku=U92-2342 expires Aug 31. --am From kennethdegel at gmail.com Tue Aug 8 15:33:52 2006 From: kennethdegel at gmail.com (kenneth degel) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Samsung 2GB flash drive $30 AR In-Reply-To: <1C8A24BD-2390-49FC-A7A3-CBA3ED356467@amsat.org> References: <1C8A24BD-2390-49FC-A7A3-CBA3ED356467@amsat.org> Message-ID: <967cec3f0608081233pd4d3234l7f46f3964b8a852b@mail.gmail.com> i believe floridians have to pay tax at tigerdirect cause they have that place in in miami could be wrong though, its happened in the past On 8/8/06, Aaron Morrison wrote: > > > I hate rebates, but this looks like a pretty good deal. > and there was talk about using these on Saturday. > > 2GB might be overkill, but some of them might like the space.? > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp? > EdpNo=2212225&Sku=U92-2342 > > expires Aug 31. > > --am > > _______________________________________________ > School mailing list > School@leap-cf.org > http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/school > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/school/attachments/20060808/5171f30c/attachment.html From philb at philb.us Sat Aug 12 19:54:40 2006 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] School Server Message-ID: <200608121954.40758.philb@philb.us> I have a Compaq DL-380 for the school. I have tried 3 distributions on it so far and the one that likes it best is Suse 10.0. FC5 refused to see the SCSI array even when I manually loaded the cpqarray driver. Centos 4 loaded up ok, but only saw one of the two processors. Right now, with Suse 10.0 on it and starting at run level 3 in /etc/inittab, it has 36 processes running. That's not too bad considering that I have not done any tweaking yet. My criteria for selecting the distribution was: RPM based. Installs and finds the SCSI array. See's both processors. My preference would be FC5 but I have yet to get it to find the array no matter which driver I select. I'm kind of surprised given this model of server was one of Compaq's most popular and has been around for a few years. I may try Debian as well. -- My other computer is your Windows machine From kennethdegel at gmail.com Sun Aug 13 00:43:03 2006 From: kennethdegel at gmail.com (kenneth degel) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] School Server In-Reply-To: <200608121954.40758.philb@philb.us> References: <200608121954.40758.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <967cec3f0608122143l70c85841t4105c2cb64775fd5@mail.gmail.com> yes debian!! gentoo or slack maybe? On 8/12/06, Phil Barnett wrote: > > > I have a Compaq DL-380 for the school. I have tried 3 distributions on it > so > far and the one that likes it best is Suse 10.0. FC5 refused to see the > SCSI > array even when I manually loaded the cpqarray driver. Centos 4 loaded up > ok, > but only saw one of the two processors. > > Right now, with Suse 10.0 on it and starting at run level 3 in > /etc/inittab, > it has 36 processes running. That's not too bad considering that I have > not > done any tweaking yet. > > My criteria for selecting the distribution was: > > RPM based. > Installs and finds the SCSI array. > See's both processors. > > My preference would be FC5 but I have yet to get it to find the array no > matter which driver I select. I'm kind of surprised given this model of > server was one of Compaq's most popular and has been around for a few > years. > > I may try Debian as well. > > -- > My other computer is your Windows machine > _______________________________________________ > School mailing list > School@leap-cf.org > http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/school > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/school/attachments/20060813/6c697ba4/attachment.html From philb at philb.us Sun Aug 13 01:22:48 2006 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] School Server In-Reply-To: <967cec3f0608122143l70c85841t4105c2cb64775fd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200608121954.40758.philb@philb.us> <967cec3f0608122143l70c85841t4105c2cb64775fd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200608130122.49009.philb@philb.us> On Sunday 13 August 2006 00:43, kenneth degel wrote: > yes debian!! > > gentoo or slack maybe? I gave another go on Centos 4.3 and it worked just fine. There might have been some hardware issues before. Here's the output from dmesg: Initializing CPU#0 CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c03ea000 soft=c03ca000 PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 65536 bytes) Detected 997.363 MHz processor. Using tsc for high-res timesource Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Memory: 643180k/655344k available (1868k kernel code, 11652k reserved, 755k data, 180k init, 0k highmem) Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 1995.76 BogoMIPS (lpj=997881) Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized SELinux: Initializing. SELinux: Starting in permissive mode There is already a security framework initialized, register_security failed. selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability Capability LSM initialized as secondary Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 256K CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 06 per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 730.95 usecs. task migration cache decay timeout: 1 msecs. Booting processor 1/0 eip 3000 CPU 1 irqstacks, hard=c03eb000 soft=c03cb000 Initializing CPU#1 Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 1993.40 BogoMIPS (lpj=996700) CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 256K CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. CPU1: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 06 Total of 2 processors activated (3989.16 BogoMIPS). This will be the distribution on their server. it's working nicely now. -- My other computer is your Windows machine From fred at fmeco.com Thu Aug 17 04:50:27 2006 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Indiana School Message-ID: <200608170450.34315.fred@fmeco.com> A good article.. I found the part that the teachers don't mention open source, linux etc interesting.. ?fred http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=192201386 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/school/attachments/20060817/2d5264e3/attachment.bin From RandallP at domain-logic.com Thu Aug 17 16:38:12 2006 From: RandallP at domain-logic.com (Randall Perry) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Indiana School In-Reply-To: <200608170450.34315.fred@fmeco.com> References: <200608170450.34315.fred@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <1155847092.44e4d3b462aa6@www.domain-logic.com> I live [and consult mostly] in Indiana. I also have experience teaching in K-12 public education and at a couple colleges/Universities in Indiana ( a couple to 3 years back). Indiana schools have been staging this for awhile now. Bryan Smith flew up here back in 2004 and helped me fulfill a contract with a large Indiana based school system for Linux training (they were leaning towards SuSe at the time). On the server side, they had everything from Novell to Windows to OSX servers. Some schools up here made careful efforts, while others have thrown Linspire boxes in a room and have no clue how to use them. (which gives mixed results for their 'experiences with Linux' ) My biggest complaint with use of ANY technology in schools is playing the brand game. No bigger proof of our educational systems not having any abilities in what they teach than in technology sector. They have classes that teach 'Word, Excel, Flash' or any other name-brand. See, they do NOT teach students how to use a wordprocessor, spreadsheet, C compiler, or Operating System. That mentality is one of the ways public school systems proove their out-of-date methods continue to dumb down American students. Thank God for the picture-laden buttons at McDonalds. If this Brand training trickles back down the chain, we will have disadvantaged children in Kindergarten who will only be taught how to tie their Reebok sneakers. Those wearing Keds, Nike or jellies will be left behind for the 'better technology'. But I digress. On another note... I know John (the guy in the article) at Wintergreen. Really, a great guy. They were doing a lot of Linspire boxes (and I bought a couple of them). But since these are budget boxes, any issues due to cheap hardware are going to give a black eye to the 'linux experience'. They should instead be setting up X servers and then REALLY go light on the hardware side. From administration to performance would see marked improvement on the experience. Another note: Wintergreen has been the 'whitebox' systems for tigerdirect for awhile now. Only in the past couple of years have you seen the 'Wintergreen' brand in the TigerDirect ads. Quoting Fred Moore : > A good article.. I found the part that the teachers don't mention open > source, > linux etc interesting.. fred > > http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=192201386 > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*' Randall Perry Domain Logic Technology Solutions http://www.domain-logic.com 574-220-1545 "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them" -Albert Einstein From Bruce.Metcalf at figzu.com Fri Aug 18 01:10:07 2006 From: Bruce.Metcalf at figzu.com (Bruce Metcalf) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Surplus Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <200608070015.15834.philb@philb.us> References: <200608070015.15834.philb@philb.us> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060818010359.0337bcb8@figzu.com> Gang, At tonight's meeting where we discussed expansion plans for the school project, it was mentioned that a cable modem would be needed. I was able to find my spare unit, and I'll gladly donate it to the cause. The modem is a Toshiba PCX2200, and I even have the original wall-wart for it. The unit only saw a couple of months of service. It was taken offline because this particular model wasn't supported by Adelphia, and gave intermittent service there. Since the school will be on Comcast/RoadRunner/Earthlink, it just might work fine. I'll bring it along to the InstallFest, or I can arrange to hand it off to someone if it's needed before then. Bruce From tom at fnords.net Fri Aug 18 12:03:51 2006 From: tom at fnords.net (Tom Parker) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] UPS for Compaq Server Message-ID: <200608181604.k7IG42kn020348@rs27.luxsci.com> Who should I give it to? I live in Winter Springs. I can even bring it to the school if that would help. Its an APC Smart-UPS 1100 or 1400, I cannot remember exactly. From ae4ko at amsat.org Fri Aug 18 12:11:41 2006 From: ae4ko at amsat.org (Aaron Morrison) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] UPS for Compaq Server In-Reply-To: <200608181604.k7IG42kn020348@rs27.luxsci.com> References: <200608181604.k7IG42kn020348@rs27.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <50550423-B103-46FC-ADB9-A433683E491A@amsat.org> I work in Oviedo, so you can give it to me if nothing else works out. --am On 18 Aug 2006, at 12:03, Tom Parker wrote: > Who should I give it to? I live in Winter Springs. > > I can even bring it to the school if that would help. > > Its an APC Smart-UPS 1100 or 1400, I cannot remember exactly. > _______________________________________________ > School mailing list > School@leap-cf.org > http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/school From fred at fmeco.com Tue Aug 22 07:47:41 2006 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Re: [LeapList] WWA-related projects In-Reply-To: <200608220710.29166.octo@logicprobe.org> References: <200608220710.29166.octo@logicprobe.org> Message-ID: <200608220747.47064.fred@fmeco.com> On Tuesday 22 August 2006 7:10 am, Derek Konigsberg wrote: > I'm just wondering, is anyone keeping track of when we're actually planning > to make trips to the school to work on various projects related to setting > the place up? I remember Phil made mention of doing some stuff there > tonight, but haven't seen any mention of it since. > > Might not be a bad idea to post this sort of info on the Wiki, actually. > > (What time was it again, since I forgot?) I am cross posting to school mailing list.. I think this is the proper place unless we use a feed to notify changes to the wiki, I think you are correct to ask people to read the wiki daily to see if anything is going on.. Phil did mention at the meeting that he would be installing the server on Tuesday. He and I talked yesterday I am meeting him there at 7 PM this evening. Anyone wanting to assist is welcome.. Fred -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/school/attachments/20060823/a793b33a/attachment.bin From kc4zvw at earthlink.net Wed Aug 23 15:50:41 2006 From: kc4zvw at earthlink.net (David Billsbrough) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] wiki updated Message-ID: <8497657.1156362642145.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Fred, What you busted ... I busted even more! I moved the image off the top page and gave it it's own HyperWikiWord! Also add others for IPcop, workstation, server, and etc. regards, David -----Original Message----- >From: Fred Moore >Sent: Aug 23, 2006 2:53 PM >To: school >Subject: [School] wiki updated >the drawing has been added to the wiki. also I need someone put the name of >the school in the text.. check it out and fix anything I busted.. Fred -- David Billsbrough (KC4ZVW) Chuluota, Florida grid: EL98kp AVR * Duckworks * FreeBSD * Linux * PICmicro * QRP * TAPR From fred at fmeco.com Wed Aug 23 16:07:40 2006 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] wiki updated In-Reply-To: <8497657.1156362642145.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8497657.1156362642145.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200608231607.44737.fred@fmeco.com> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 3:50 pm, David Billsbrough wrote: > Fred, > > What you busted ... I busted even more! > > I moved the image off the top page and gave it it's own HyperWikiWord! > > Also add others for IPcop, workstation, server, and etc. > > > regards, > > David thanks.. I know Hale still has a bunch of content to add.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Fred Moore > >Sent: Aug 23, 2006 2:53 PM > >To: school > >Subject: [School] wiki updated > > > >the drawing has been added to the wiki. also I need someone put the name > > of the school in the text.. check it out and fix anything I busted.. Fred -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/school/attachments/20060823/f1c5118f/attachment.bin From philb at philb.us Wed Aug 23 23:03:12 2006 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] Update your hours Message-ID: <200608232303.12247.philb@philb.us> I'd like to thank everyone for helping Tuesday night with the server install et al. Please go to the wiki and input your hours on the appropriate page. Thanks again! You all do great work! -- My other computer is your Windows machine From hale at halepringle.com Fri Aug 25 09:24:15 2006 From: hale at halepringle.com (Hale Pringle) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] wiki updated In-Reply-To: <200608231607.44737.fred@fmeco.com> References: <8497657.1156362642145.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <200608231607.44737.fred@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <1156512255.3281.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Yes, I do have some stuff to add to the wiki. I'll try to do that this weekend. My wife's in the hospital this week and that has taken almost all of my time. I snuck out for a Java meeting last night but this is the first time I've even looked at my email since Monday. Hale On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 16:07 -0400, Fred Moore wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 3:50 pm, David Billsbrough wrote: > > Fred, > > > > What you busted ... I busted even more! > > > > I moved the image off the top page and gave it it's own HyperWikiWord! > > > > Also add others for IPcop, workstation, server, and etc. > > > > > > regards, > > > > David > > thanks.. I know Hale still has a bunch of content to add.. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Fred Moore > > >Sent: Aug 23, 2006 2:53 PM > > >To: school > > >Subject: [School] wiki updated > > > > > >the drawing has been added to the wiki. also I need someone put the name > > > of the school in the text.. check it out and fix anything I busted.. Fred > _______________________________________________ > School mailing list > School@leap-cf.org > http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/school From ae4ko at amsat.org Thu Aug 31 09:26:12 2006 From: ae4ko at amsat.org (Aaron Morrison) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] RFC: NX server and client released under GPL license Message-ID: <845ECABE-4BA1-44A7-BAEB-4ADF190C8FA3@amsat.org> Ran across this today: NX server and client released under GPL license http://www.linux.org.mt/node/70 Which leads to this project: http://code.2x.com/linuxterminalserver The question on the floor is this: Do we want to go the terminal server route? or stick to the imaged client with shared home folders model? Pros? Cons?? --am From philb at philb.us Thu Aug 31 20:28:07 2006 From: philb at philb.us (Phil Barnett) Date: Tue Oct 31 17:49:51 2006 Subject: [School] RFC: NX server and client released under GPL license In-Reply-To: <845ECABE-4BA1-44A7-BAEB-4ADF190C8FA3@amsat.org> References: <845ECABE-4BA1-44A7-BAEB-4ADF190C8FA3@amsat.org> Message-ID: <200608312028.07781.philb@philb.us> On Thursday 31 August 2006 09:26, Aaron Morrison wrote: > Ran across this today: > > NX server and client released under GPL license > http://www.linux.org.mt/node/70 > > Which leads to this project: > http://code.2x.com/linuxterminalserver > > The question on the floor is this: > > Do we want to go the terminal server route? or stick to the imaged > client with shared home folders model? > > Pros? Cons?? If the client machines even showed the slightest hint of being underpowered, our choice would be easy. But with powerful client machines like we have, it's hard to not take advantage of them. -- My other computer is your Windows machine