[Leaplist] File Transfers

[Kevin Korb]

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I don't know much about the Windows stuff Bryan is talking about but I
agree with him completely on the use of an IMAP server and multiple
clients.  You can keep the mbox or whatever format you use files if you
want just insert in IMAP layer between them and the email client.

On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:14:03 -0700 (PDT)
"Bryan J. Smith" <b.j.smith at ieee.org> wrote:
> Bruce Metcalf wrote:  
> 
> > Now returned from our 24-day road trip, I am relocating the email
> > files for Thunderbird/Icedove from our laptop to our desktops.
> 
> IMAP your home baby!  ;)
> 
> > I'm making the transfer in two stages: first from the laptop to the
> > file server, then from the file server to the desktops.
> 
> Don't share out mbox files or other formats over NFS or SMB.
> Again, IMAP baby!  ;)
> 
> > My files moved easily to my (Linux) desktop. I am having severe trouble
> > transferring my wife's email files to her (Win2kPro) desktop. Yes,
> > she's still an adherent of the Dark Side, even though she has stopped
> > eating the cookies.
> > The error message received in Windows Explorer is "Cannot copy xxxxx.
> > Access is denied. Source file may be in use." Using xcopy in a DOS
> > window, I also get "Access denied."
> 
> Know thy "kackles"
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb490872.aspx  
> 
> Microsoft used to have "simple sharing mode" in Windows XP Home.
> However, you not only don't get that in Windows 2000 or XP Pro, but
> Vista Home and Windows 7 Home now forces you to know how to
> apply CAE/CALs.
> 
> At every client where I have to deal with Windows, this is on my desk
> (now 2nd edition):  
> http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Command-Line-Administrators-Pocket-Consultant/dp/0735622620/
> 
> If you ever want to see how horrendous Microsoft is at maintaining any
> consistency, then pick up any Stanek book.  Microsoft's Command Line
> Interface (CLI) over my last 17 years of NT exposure has been an
> excellent example of utter lack of standards and consistency.
> 
> GNU seems like a 25 year dream in comparison.
> 
> > I have opened her email on the laptop, seen that all is in order,
> > closed it properly, and transferred it (twice) without trouble to the
> > file server. I do not get any error messages on this transfer.
> > I have chowned the directory to her, and some files and directories do
> > transfer, so I don't believe it's a permissions issue.
> > I'm out of ideas and haven't been able to find useful suggestions on
> > the web. Your support will be most appreciated!
> 
> The NT kernel is most excellent at leaving files open that do not need to
> be.  But I'd still try to re-apply CAE/CALs.  Sometimes something needs
> to be "reset" permissions wise.  NT 6 (Vista) has been a horrendous pile
> of garbage in that some of their interface developers don't apply
> correct, default CAE/CALs on user files.
> 
> Also, FAT-based NTFS does not, unlike inode filesystems, reference
> entries by a filesystem-wide inode number, so you cannot move a file on
> even the same NTFS filesystem without causing issues.  On inode-based
> filesystems, you can move an open file around (into different
> directories) and it still stays open without issues, because the inode
> is absolute.
> 
> 


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