[Leaplist] Florida Linux Show 2009 JAX

[Hank Lambert]

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I don't know enough about the situation to agree one way or the other,
but I'm open to hear more about it. Knowing only what I've read in
these posts, I do like the idea of having some kind of Linux
convention. Like John said, a Linux convention wouldn't be so much a
"spreading the word" event, as most people attending would more than
likely be Linux users, similar to Hamcation to hams. But an event like
that could be a lot of fun and informative. I am uncomfortable in
supporting a person or group in an official manner for profit, and I
am very much opposed to using LEAP's name in an official manner by
anyone without the groups permission. Patrick is a prime example of
spreading the word without any group affiliation.

I will be at the Installfest on Feb 7th, and look forward to hearing
more about it.

- --Hank


John Simpson wrote:
> On 2009-01-27, at 1938, Vernon Singleton wrote:
>> On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 18:39 -0500, Fred Moore wrote:
>>> Vernon Singleton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We just got the go ahead from the JAX show.  Folks who email
>>>> through me in order reserve your spot to man the Orlando LEAP
>>>> booth at the Florida Linux Show 2009 in JAX on March 9 will
>>>> get free registration and a badge waiting for them at the
>>>> door of the show.  It looks like we will be using "leftovers"
>>>> from the CDs and DVDs for hamcation at the JAX show, and if
>>>> we need to print up some more, Phil will
> help us
>>>> do that.
>>>
>>> When was this discussed at a meeting, as I recall the overall
> response
>>> when this was discussed last year was that we didn't wish to
> participate
>>> in anything thats has a sole purpose of making one person some
> money.  I
>>> don't remember his name but you brought him to an install fest,
>>>
> when he
>>> was looking for our support to get an Orlando show.  I only
> remember two
>>> people who wanted to do this (you were one).. Please help me
>>> understand..  how is LEAP suddenly  involved and using
> leftovers...  Fred
>
>> I've posted to this list several times about this, and spoke at
> several
>> meetings about this, and you are the only one who has complained
>> ... imagine that, Fred.
>
> i remember you mentioning it on the list a few times, always with
> very minimal if any response. however, i don't recall this other
> guy speaking at ANY meetings. i remember you introducing him to me
> at an installfest, but that's it.
>
> i also don't remember hearing ANYTHING about using "leftover" CDs
> from the hamcation for this other show. not that i would have a
> problem with it, i just don't remember it having ever been
> discussed.
>
> i don't think anybody here is going to stop you from participating
> in the show, or using LEAP's mailing lists and meetings to find
> others who want to participate- anything which promotes linux is a
> good thing.
>
> however, until/unless the board approves it, you cannot use LEAP's
> name in conjunction with this. and as a board member since
> september, i don't recall the issue coming up for a vote at all.
> does anybody from last year's board recall voting on this?
>
> and just because fred is the only person publicly questioning this
> guy's motives, doesn't mean everybody else magically trusts him (or
>  cares one way or the other.) i remember him talking about how he
> was already a professional conference organizer, but i seem to
> remember him saying that this was the first show he had tried to
> start entirely from scratch and that he wanted to "get it
> profitable" as quickly as possible... i didn't think much of it at
> the time, but i do remember getting a vaguely uneasy feeling about
> his choice of the word "profitable" as opposed to something like
> "successful". i didn't say much about it at the time because fred
> had already picked up that particular flag and started marching.
> but guess what? i don't recall fred's concerns ever being
> addressed, and now you can add my voice as a second person with the
> same concerns.
>
> LEAP's charter says we exist to promote linux, not to help somebody
>  else turn a profit. even ignoring the "for profit" angle, i have
> to wonder if "yet another linux-themed show" is really going to do
> much to promote linux. the people who attend a "linux show" will,
> for the most part, already know what linux is about, will probably
> already be using linux on one or more systems, and won't be looking
> to learn about linux- they'll probably be looking to find a
> linux-based solution to some specific problem rather than just
> learn about linux itself. the idea of LEAP participating in that
> kind of a "linux show" seems like a waste of time to me. i think
> those shows are more geared toward people who offer solutions BASED
> ON linux, rather than people like LEAP who simply want to promote
> linux itself.
>
> hamcation, on the other hand, i think is a really good idea. the
> people who attend the show are already technically minded, but may
> not know much about computers or operating systems- in other words,
>  these are the guys who are prime prospects to start using linux,
> even if they don't realize it.
>
> those of us who were at the last regular meeting saw phil showing
> off the "fldigi" software using a .wav file from the previous
> evening to simulate the audio coming from a radio. to me this was
> like a preview of what we hope to do at the hamcation- the only
> difference is that i will hopefully be connected to a real radio,
> with an antenna on the roof, and we can make some real two-way
> contacts. i can see guys calling their buddies in tennessee or
> michigan and saying "hey frank, get on the radio and see if you can
>  hear me doing some PSK on 14.070"... using linux. i'm also
> planning on making a hand-out sheet which shows exactly how the
> demo station is wired, and if the individual parts are available
> from hamcation vendors, a list of who has what, so people can get
> on the air.
>
> another reason we do the hamcation every year is that OARC, the
> group who puts on the hamcation every year, is also a non-profit
> organization. their surplus money goes to pay for and maintain
> amateur radio repeaters, which are used by hams in emergencies, to
> assist the authorities. people may not realize this, but when a
> hurricane comes to town and the county opens the shelters, every
> shelter has one or more ham radio operators on-site, WITH THEIR OWN
>  EQUIPMENT. the shelters use the hams as a communication channel to
>  keep the county EOC informed about how many people are in the
> shelter, what kinds of special needs they have, and so forth. this
> frees up the telephone lines (when/if they're still working) and
> the city/county radio system (again, when/if it's still working)
> for more critical traffic. there's also a second ham station at the
> EOC with an HF radio, used to stay in contact with the state EOC in
>  tallahassee- and if the long-haul telephone lines are cut, that HF
>  station IS how the county and the state keep in touch.
>
> and in my mind, supporting a non-profit organization who serves the
>  community, is a lot better than serving a for-profit person who's
> trying to line his own pockets. not that i have a problem with the
> guy trying to make a living, i just get the feeling that you
> (vernon) are the only LEAP member who's really interested in what
> he's doing.
>
> again, feel free to participate in his show, and talk it up on the
> lists and at the meetings... just don't use LEAP's name unless the
> board approves it first. there will be a board meeting at the 2/7
> installfest, i recommend you bring it up then so the board can vote
>  on it.
>
> and no, i haven't already decided against it. i'm looking forward
> to hearing what you have to say at the meeting, and it's not
> something about which i really have strong feelings one way or the
> other- so it is entirely possible for you to talk me (and probably
> most of the other board members) into voting "yes".
>
> (for the record: this is me speaking as myself, and should not be
> taken as any kind of official statement on behalf of LEAP. any
> official statements would need to come from the board as a whole,
> after hearing from everybody who's involved or interested.)
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