[Leaplist] Google and GMail "we make the standard" -- WAS: Microsoft Hotmail

[Bryan J. Smith]

[ Sorry, didn't complete changing the subject ]

On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 11:53 -0500, Hank Lambert wrote:
> Bryan,
> What do you mean when you say IP standards or agreements.

1.  Read Google end-user agreements ;)
2.  If you're privy, read Google employment agreements ;)

#1 is why I'm moving to Yahoo for my blogging.
It's also why some people I know signed with Red Hat, not Google. ;)

> Also, what standards are Google not following. I use Google and
> have a gmail account, but know nothing of the underlying technologies
> they might be using.

Google is exactly like Microsoft, "we make the standard."  Google is
innovative, yes, but they utterly don't care about standards, they come
later (if at all).  That includes "a lot of smart kids" writing stuff
without reading a lick of IETF standards.

Google has slowly added various SMTP header support to GMail.  Most
notably an issue was the utter lack of Message-ID tracking for the first
year or so, and it took several years for full implementation.  I grew
rather tired of the people who complained about anything but subject
sorting, not knowing the first thing about the Message-ID header.

We're talking 1980s standards and technology here being ignored.  There
is a reason why Message-ID is preserved in NNTP/SMTP.  While I expect
mail readers from Microsoft to ignore them, and other fringe web-clients
as well, not Google.  They could at least be like Yahoo in that regard.

Yahoo has a much better track record.

-- Bryan

P.S.  Evolution should be preserving the Message-ID on this message and
Hypermail should thread it correctly in the archives, even though I
received the digest version (MIME attachments, which I just enabled the
other day).



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