[Leaplist] Microsoft Suggest Linux Hotmail Users Use Outlook Express

[Matthew Cupples]

Microsoft will always attempt to get users using Windows.  I don't see how
that's evil or wrong.  It's a company.  Personally, I use Windows at home
for video games and Linux at home for a music/movies box.  All of this
loyalty to one brand or another seems incredibly wrong to me.

Also, WHY ARE YOU USING HOTMAIL?  The spam filter is awful, they charge some
sites usage fees for their mail to even be delivered to hotmail users and
the "improved" version is just a memory hog.

Use gmail.  Its great, free, and you can even use your own domain for free.
http://google.com/a/.

On Jan 25, 2008 11:18 PM, Alexandros Nipirakis <anipirakis at gmail.com> wrote:

> First off, I remember talking to a Microsoft Employee a bit ago and he
> admited that many peoiple in the MSN department used FireFox as their
> primary browser. Why oh why I asked?  Reason is that IE sux.
>
> I use IE limitedly at work.  It sucks.  It sucks really bad.  Even
> that abysmal excuse for a browser IE 7 sucks.  Outlook express- what a
> bloody joke.
>
> In any event, though I sympathise with Bryan (I am a MSDN subscriber
> through my employer) I think that Microsoft will likely support
> Firefox.  Remember that the article doesn't say that Hotmail won't
> work on Firefox, but that some of the more ajaxiness features won't
> work.  My guess is that the bad press won't help microsoft, and will
> end up causing it to change its evil ways.
>
> On a related note, I have found that most of the Microsoft sites seem
> to work just fine on Linux using whatever browser you wish.  The
> author even suggested some ways to get the browser to work.  Bryan,
> did you note something different?
>
> I know, I know... Microsoft is rubbish and we shouldn't give them an
> inch, but really, Microsoft would probably push people to use its
> operating system on their website.  Maybe they are stupid for not
> reaching out the linux folk, but really how big of a market do you
> think they have with the linux folk.  Think about it from an economic
> perspective (common re-afferment about my hatred of corporate america
> completly aplies):
>
> You are a corporation who writes software.  You have a piece of
> software (lets call it Hotmail) and you have millions of users.  One
> percent of those users use operating system x (lets call it Linux).
> They rabidly hate your company and are really unlikely to heavily
> utilize your service.  As such, you will derive really little revenue
> from them.  Would you be smart or stupid for helping said users access
> your site?
>
> Its about dollars and cents.  Microsoft must believe somewhere that
> the money they would need to spend to make this work isn't worth it.
> Don't like it, great use GMail.  I like it better anyway (I have two
> hotmail accounts, one I use for my MSDN subscription -- one I retain
> from my youth).  I love my gmail account-- statistically speaking 20x
> better than my MSN/Hotmail account.
>
> Sorry lads, want to use hotmail's advanced features shell out for windows.
>
> Aleksei
>
>
> On 1/25/08, Kevin Anderson <kanderson at digital-adrenaline.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is about the size of it.  The more people use firefox, the more
> other
> > sites will be forced to support it.
> >
> >  Note how this is already starting to happen with things like w3c
> testing
> > for the latest version of IE.  How about OOXML.
> >
> >  There was a time MS could kill the competition.  That time has passed.
> > Even if the US continues to use MS, the rest of the world is moving away
> > fairly quickly.  Part of that it that the US can afford MS, whereas
> others
> > cannot.  Part of that is that the US is already deeply tied to MS,
> making a
> > move to Open Source much more difficult than in India or China, where
> there
> > is no legacy data baggage to worry about.  In a global economy, I don't
> > believe MS can win against Open Source.  When people think to themselves
> > "hmmm.  1/2 the sales force on MS or double the sales force on Open
> Office",
> > MS will get dumped pretty fast.
> >
> >  Ultimately, I think even MS knows that it cannot continue like this and
> > expect to win.  What it can do is drain out as much cash for as long as
> > possible while the death spiral slowly winds down.  Lengthening that
> spiral
> > is in their best interest, so it will attempt to lock in as many
> > users/organizations as possible, however, in spite of that, I don't
> believe
> > the death can be stopped.  IBM had their day, Novell had their day, MS
> is at
> > the end of having their day.  Of those, it seems that only IBM has
> > successfully continued to stand on their own.  And believe me, that's
> > painful to say, I love Novell.
> >
> >  Kev.
> >
> >
> >
> >  pberry2 wrote:
> >  Kyle Gonzales wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Ha! Big surprise there. Microsoft seems to be increasingly forcing
> > people using their online properties to NOT use non-Microsoft
> > products.
> >
> > Recently, my aunt-in-law discovered that MSN Games did not work if
> > (get this) RealPlayer was INSTALLED. Not running. Just installed.
> > Uninstalling RealPlayer allowed the MSN Games to work. Now, this did
> > not affect Yahoo Games or other game sites. Just MSN games.
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2008 10:14 AM, marlowe <marlowe at antagonism.org> wrote:
> >
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/hotmail_doesnt_work_with_firefox_2
> >
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> > to taunt the devil. Do not use Microsoft products, or risk the
> > domination by evil.
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