[Leaplist] Torrent and filesharing throttling got Verizon spanked

Fri Oct 26 21:36:10 GMT 2007

Fred Moore wrote:
> ssma at sunstatemartialarts.com wrote:
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>> patrick wrote:
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>>> Hank Lambert wrote:
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>>>> I knew Comcast was throttling, but I did not know that Bright House was.
>>>>
>>>> Hank Lambert
>>>> KB4MTO
>>>> Certified Geek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: leaplist-bounces at leap-cf.org [mailto:leaplist-bounces at leap-cf.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of patrick
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:41 PM
>>>> To: This is the Leap Main List
>>>> Subject: [Leaplist] Torrent and filesharing throttling got Verizon spanked
>>>>
>>>> http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/miiikeee/2007/10/24/verizon-got-spanked/
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I sure hope Bright House reads this!
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Did you notice any leaplist-bounces?  Are these a symptom of packet
>>> sniffing or some kind of throttling?
>>>
>>> Some Bright House server centers seem to be more concerned with
>>> throttling.  Reports I've heard highlight Deltona, for one.
>>>
>>>
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>> yes Verizon got busted by NY, and Comcast is being slammed by a
>> congressman.  glad to see these companies paying the price for false
>> advertising.  now if we can get them to just leave their customers
>> alone and do what they are paid for things would be nicer.
>>
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> This is tiered internet at its finest.   It all needs to stop including
> port 25.. Fred
>
>   

Actually I'm not replying to myself.  I accidentally deleted Patrick's
note..

There seems to be some mix up about IP6/IP4 and the torrent thread. One
has nothing to do with the other). The problem; we were running out of
addresses.  The intent of IP6 is to increase the number of public IP
addresses world wide to a point where the problem would not surface
again for another 100 years.  The prediction we were going to run out
did not happen as fast as expected.  Why? because of things like NAT
which greatly decreased the problem, but created some other minor
problems.   This allowed whole companies to run on non-routable IP
addresses greatly increasing the available addresses.  IP4 or IP6 has
nothing to do with the other subject, screwing with Torrents etc. 
Screwing with P2P (torrent is just one protocol) has to do with denying
us the bandwidth we are already paying for, plain and simple.

Jumping in the time machine and moving back 3 years ago the president of
technical operations for Bellsouth (don't remember his name) moved to
AT&T.  His first speech was that both Bellsouth and AT&T would be moving
to tiered internet services.  His words not mine were this change would
generate billions of dollars profit annually.    The speech and articles
about the speech talked about the new AT&T/Bellsouth business model. 
This business model was simply  1) charge the end user for each and
every service they receive via internet, and 2) charge the company who
wants to deliver content over our lines to OUR end users for the
bandwidth and speed.    Management at Google announced at the time they
they had already been approached by AT&T and told they would have to pay
to deliver their content.   They have flatly stated this would never
happen.  One comment made by them was that sure AT&T and Bellsouth had
the ability to slow down searches etc.. but they had the ability to
block searches from any IP range they wanted.. in other words they could
stoping serving to anyone with an AT&T or Bellsouth owned IP range
making their ISP service unusable.  in other words don't screw with us
or we may shut you down for hours at a time.  Any guess why Google wants
into the wireless game in such a big way?

So here is the deal.. want to run a server you pay for a business
account, and port 25 (SMTP) will be open (more money).  We now have 3-6
different speeds (more money) for what we all consider the same DSL.. 
Want to be able to upload the same speed as download (more money)
SDSL..  want TV (more money)  And I guarantee you that the next step in
the P2P stuff was oh you want to share (more money)..   So the tiers are
full service (full network access all ports) to reduced services, and
reduced speeds..  While at the same time they want to charge us to
deliver content on the lines we are already paying for.   profit at both
ends. 

I objected to them charging my content provider Google, or anyone else
to use the exact same bandwidth I am paying them for...  I already payed
for the bandwidth..

This is what kicked off the whole net-neutrality (political football
name for tiered internet) stuff.  

My reaction was simple.   The day after I read the speech and understood
the implications. 
1)  Called my cable provider and installed a cable modem.
2)  Called Packet8 and installed VOIP
3)  Called Bellsouth and canceled my land line phones
4)  Called Bellsouth and canceled my DSL modem

I am using a Verizon cellphone and will never have anything tied to AT&T
or Bellsouth ever again.  I have trashed all of my yellow page books,
and use Google for my searches.  I make sure I tell anyone I deal with
that they are wasting their advertising money as I and many others will
never use the book.

Is this drastic.  some may seem to think it is.  There comes a time in
everyones life where they must draw a line in the sand and stand on
action.   I just said in my way.. you aren't going to make money from
me.  PERIOD.  You will not use the profits generated by me against me.  
I invoked my business model. 

BTW don't miss anything they had..   So Patrick hope this clears up what
I am talking about when I say tiered services.. and I hope Google lights
up the world with cheep network connections its just what the old
ma-bell companies deserve and the best thing that could ever happen here
in the good old Republic we live in..

I currently have Comcast and they piss me off, but I really don't think
RR to be any different they all want to make more money.. I just don't
agree on the tier business model..  of charging others to use what I
already payed for.   .. Fred

-- 
Benjamin Franklin "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either" 
Benjamin Franklin "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

Fred/WD8KNI