well not really, they are just selling hardware without MS pre-installed. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs -- Raymond L. Brunkow 5th Degree Black Belt Chief Instructor & Owner Sun State Martial Arts 407-786-2525 http://www.SunStateMartialArts.us